Never Thought We'd Be Here
Never Thought We'd Be Here
Podcast Description
Join Maya Grobel, psychotherapist, parent via embryo donation, and EM•POWER with Moxi/Moxi Matching co-founder, as she talks with guests about all things embryo donation. Hear real stories from embryo donors and recipients, and listen in as Maya and the Moxi Matching team tackle questions about directed embryo donation/donor conception, sharing genetics, and the meaning of family. EM•POWER with Moxi is an organization deeply rooted in education, support, and ethical practices for embryo donation. And Moxi Matching is a directed embryo donation matching platform and journey management service.
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The podcast delves into a variety of themes surrounding embryo donation, including the emotional complexities of donation, parenthood pathways, and the values underpinning donor-recipient relationships. Episodes cover topics like the decision-making process in embryo donation, the significance of open communication, and the evolving definitions of family, with featured guests sharing their personal narratives and experiences.

Join Maya Grobel, psychotherapist, parent via embryo donation, and EM•POWER with Moxi/Moxi Matching co-founder, as she talks with guests about all things embryo donation. Hear real stories from embryo donors and recipients, and listen in as Maya and the Moxi Matching team tackle questions about directed embryo donation/donor conception, sharing genetics, and the meaning of family. EM•POWER with Moxi is an organization deeply rooted in education, support, and ethical practices for embryo donation. And Moxi Matching is a directed embryo donation matching platform and journey management service.
In this episode of Never Thought We’d Be Here, host Maya Grobel is joined by the Moxi team, co-founders Jen and Gina.
Maya, Jen, and Gina, the co-founders of Moxi Matching and EM•POWER with Moxi, to unpack what “child-led” really means in embryo donation. They explore how that idea shapes disclosure, matching, communication, and long-term family relationships, with a focus on how parents can create a strong framework while still leaving room for children’s changing needs.
They discuss how child-led parenting differs in theory versus practice, why parents still have to make the first decisions, and how flexibility, curiosity, and check-ins help families navigate connection over time.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to the discussion on child-led family building
04:08 What does child-led mean in embryo donation?
07:14 Parenting perspectives on being child-led
09:16 Evolving understanding of child-led parenting
12:21 How children influence family connection decisions
16:14 Children's understanding of embryo donation over time
19:44 Checking in with children about their feelings
22:38 Setting family boundaries and legal considerations
26:22 Matching families based on values and connection preferences
29:58 Addressing fears and uncertainties in matching
31:22 The role of language and children's lead in relationships
32:20 Honoring individual differences among children
33:50 Final thoughts on confidence and flexibility in family building
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