Modern Software with Mike Verinder
Modern Software with Mike Verinder
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Modern SoftwareExplore the ever-evolving world of technology and innovation with Modern Software, the podcast that delves into the trends, tools, and techniques shaping the way we build, test, and consume digital solutions. From testing innovations to development breakthroughs, we cover everything impacting those who create software—and those who benefit from it.Join us for casual, conversational interviews with fascinating voices from across the tech space, as we uncover insights, share stories, and spark ideas. Perfect for developers, testers, managers, hobbyists, and anyone curious about the processes behind the products.New episodes every 3–4 weeks. Tune in to stay informed, inspired, and connected!
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The podcast covers a range of topics related to software creation and consumption, including areas such as AI-generated content, autonomous software development life cycles (SDLC), and modern development tools. For example, episodes explore innovations in automated testing, security in DevOps, and tools like GitHub Copilot, providing a comprehensive view on both the challenges and advancements in the tech space.
Modern Software
Explore the ever-evolving world of technology and innovation with Modern Software, the podcast that delves into the trends, tools, and techniques shaping the way we build, test, and consume digital solutions. From testing innovations to development breakthroughs, we cover everything impacting those who create software—and those who benefit from it.
Join us for casual, conversational interviews with fascinating voices from across the tech space, as we uncover insights, share stories, and spark ideas. Perfect for developers, testers, managers, hobbyists, and anyone curious about the processes behind the products.
New episodes every 3–4 weeks. Tune in to stay informed, inspired, and connected!
Is BDD Dying? Did Low-Code Kill It? Is BDD Dying? Did Low-Code Kill It? Episode Title: Is BDD Dying? Did Low-Code Kill It?
In this episode of Modern Software, host Mike Verinder is joined by Andy Knight (aka The Automation Panda) for a thoughtful, spicy, and at times hilarious conversation about the state of Behavior-Driven Development (BDD) in 2025.
BDD was supposed to revolutionize how teams collaborate—bridging developers, testers, and business folks through shared examples, plain English, and clarity of intent. But somewhere along the way, it became… Gherkin files nobody reads, tools nobody maintains, and a checkbox item that often misses the point.
So we ask the honest question:
Is BDD actually dying? And if so… did low-code kill it?
What We Cover in This Episode:
- What BDD was meant to be vs. how it’s used today
- Why Gherkin became more of a burden than a bridge
- The explosion of low-code and codeless tools (like Testim, mabl, and Functionize)
- How AI-generated tests and tools like Copilot are changing the testing landscape
- The rise of “automation for all” and how it bypasses dev-tester collaboration
- Why BDD still can work—and where it shines (especially in complex domains)
- A look at how enterprise systems like Cycle Labs use or abandon BDD
- The danger of skipping the conversation and automating everything
- Whether “Specification by Example” is the future BDD should’ve been
Quotes from the Episode:
“BDD isn’t just a testing framework—it was supposed to be a conversation.”
— Andy Knight“It’s not that BDD is bad. It’s just that most teams never actually did BDD.”
— Mike Verinder“We didn’t kill BDD with tools. We killed it by skipping the human part.”
— Andy Knight
Who Should Listen to This Episode:
- QA engineers and SDETs wondering if BDD is worth the effort anymore
- Developers who’ve written Gherkin and felt it added nothing
- Test managers or VPs exploring low-code automation platforms
- Product owners curious about how testing is shifting left (and sideways)
- Anyone trying to bring better collaboration to their SDLC
About Our Guest: Andy Knight – The Automation Panda
Andy Knight is a software engineer and quality advocate known for his blog AutomationPanda.com and speaking engagements around the world. He’s a prominent voice in the test automation community and deeply passionate about making software quality accessible, collaborative, and sustainable.
Hosted by Mike Verinder
Mike is the founder of Modern Software, an open-source support company and creator of the Modern Software Podcast. He runs the largest Selenium group on LinkedIn and works with companies exploring test strategy, automation tooling, and real-world software delivery problems.
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