Chess Not Checkers
Chess Not Checkers
Podcast Description
Welcome to Chess Not Checkers, the podcast that teaches you how to play the long game in both business and life. Hosted by Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien, we dive deep into strategic thinking, exploring how the best minds think several steps ahead. Each episode features guests from a variety of fields — real estate, business, health, wealth, and more — who share their stories and the unique mindset that’s propelled their success. Whether you’re building, growing, or establishing your business, this show offers valuable insights to help you think smarter and act with purpose.
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The show focuses on strategic thinking, entrepreneurship, and personal growth, with episodes exploring topics such as business adaptation, work-life balance, and long-term planning. Examples include discussions on the entrepreneurial mindset with guests from various industries, including real estate and digital marketing, offering lessons from their unique journeys.

Welcome to Chess Not Checkers, the podcast that teaches you how to play the long game in both business and life. Hosted by Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien, we dive deep into strategic thinking, exploring how the best minds think several steps ahead. Each episode features guests from a variety of fields — real estate, business, health, wealth, and more — who share their stories and the unique mindset that’s propelled their success. Whether you’re building, growing, or establishing your business, this show offers valuable insights to help you think smarter and act with purpose.
In this episode of Chess Not Checkers, Keith Riddle and Jordan Tampien sit down with Lacey Renner, Director of Development at Vanessa Behan, to discuss the organization’s mission of preventing child abuse and supporting families in crisis.
Lacey shares her personal journey from banking to nonprofit leadership, the story behind Vanessa Behan, and how a tragedy in Spokane led to the creation of a resource that has helped thousands of families over the last four decades. The conversation explores the realities of childhood trauma, adverse childhood experiences (ACEs), resilience, and why the first few years of a child’s life have such a profound impact on long-term outcomes.
Keith, Jordan, and Lacey also discuss parenting, community support, generational cycles, and the importance of creating environments where children can thrive. It’s a powerful conversation about hope, prevention, and the role each of us can play in building stronger families and a healthier community.
Whether you’re a parent, business leader, educator, or simply someone who cares about the future of Spokane, this episode offers valuable insights into the challenges families face and the incredible work being done every day at Vanessa Behan.
Contact Lacey: [email protected] or 509.598.7490
Contact Lacey – Reach out directly to learn more about Vanessa Behan and community involvement.
[email protected] | 509.598.7490
History of Vanessa Behan – Learn the story behind the organization and its impact on Spokane families.
https://youtu.be/6Ky3SuWoUGE?si=aIqH24n__boIw0-H
Learn More – Explore programs, services, and the latest news from Vanessa Behan.
https://www.vanessabehan.org/news/
Give – Support Vanessa Behan’s mission through a financial contribution.
https://vanessabehan.givecloud.co/give
Volunteer – Find opportunities to get involved and support local families.
https://www.vanessabehan.org/volunteer/
Rosauers Open Golf Tournament – Learn about Vanessa Behan’s premier fundraising golf event.
https://www.rosauersopen.org/
The Pumpkin Ball – Information on Vanessa Behan’s signature annual fundraising gala.
https://www.vanessabehan.org/the-pumpkin-ball/

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