Dismissed with Prejudice
Dismissed with Prejudice
Podcast Description
Workers are routinely fired because of their LGBT identity from religious workplaces—often Catholic schools—and learn they are not protected by anti-discrimination employment laws. Dismissed with Prejudice shares their stories through intimate interviews, exploring the real human toll such terminations take on these individuals and their communities, and analyzes how religious employers hide behind bad theology and unfair laws to avoid accountability. These are stories of resilient and wholehearted people who have overcome religious hypocrisy and a failed legal system, inspiring us all to make religion, the law, and the workplace more humane.
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The show delves into themes of LGBT workplace discrimination, the impact of religious ideology on employment laws, and personal resilience. Specific episode examples include Matthew LaBanca's story, which highlights the complexities of artistic expression within restrictive environments, and discussions about church teachings’ role in these terminations.
Workers are routinely fired because of their LGBT identity from religious workplaces—often Catholic schools—and learn they are not protected by anti-discrimination employment laws. Dismissed with Prejudice shares their stories through intimate interviews, exploring the real human toll such terminations take on these individuals and their communities, and analyzes how religious employers hide behind bad theology and unfair laws to avoid accountability. These are stories of resilient and wholehearted people who have overcome religious hypocrisy and a failed legal system, inspiring us all to make religion, the law, and the workplace more humane.
After years of studying theology and serving as a lay minister, Mark Guevarra decided to form an LGBTQ+ prayer and support group. Although many in the community welcomed the group, the local archdiocese did not. Mark was summoned for a meeting, told he was the subject of an ongoing investigation, and interrogated about the most personal aspects of his life. Instead of being thanked for his bridge-building ministry, Mark was subjected to a modern-day Inquisition, an experience shared in common with many LGBTQ employees in faith-based institutions.
As Mark’s story unfolds, Matt and Mark touch upon many themes central to contemporary Catholicism, including how to hold being gay and Catholic together, the reasons for the mass Exodus out of the Church, the fragility of those currently holding religious and administrative power, the unique spiritual gifts of LGBTQ+ folks, and the critical distinction between what Richard Rohr has dubbed “Churchianity” and authentic Christianity.
Mark demonstrates what integrity and faithfulness look like in the face of betrayal, exclusion, and ignorance, and points toward a spirituality that is rich, integrated, Jesus-centered, and authentically Catholic. To listen to Mark is a spiritual treat that challenges us all to ask hard questions about the religion we are actually practicing, questions that the inquisitors would do well to ask of themselves…
Learn more
Mark’s story as covered by the Edmonton Journal
Cornerstones: Sacred Stories of LGBTQ+ Employees in Catholic Institutions
(A collection of LGBTQ experiences in Catholic workplaces co-edited by Mark and Ish Ruiz)
Catholic Church Reform International
Richard Rohr’s page with the Center for Action and Contemplation
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