In this powerful episode of Next Man Up, host Kareem Thomas sits down with Dr. Courtney Curtis, Dr. Javan Childs, and Gene Renoir for an honest and deeply insightful conversation about what it means to lead as Black men in education. Together, they unpack the profound role mentorship has played in shaping their leadership journeys, the importance of having mentors who understand the nuances of their lived experiences, and how their connection with EMCEL has fortified both their professional growth and personal well-being.

The discussion highlights the intentionality behind building a brotherhood that prioritizes accountability, trust, and vulnerability. The guests share real talk on the emotional labor of leadership, the need for safe spaces, and how leaders must also care for themselves to sustain their impact. The episode wraps up with a lighthearted segment featuring dream dinner guests and meaningful recommendations for future voices on the show.

Key Takeaways:

• Mentorship rooted in shared experience fosters deeper growth and trust

• Vulnerability is a powerful leadership tool, not a weakness

• Safe spaces and brotherhood enhance resilience in leadership

• Self-care isn’t optional—it’s essential

• Accountability and continuous learning are key to evolving as a leader

Quote Worthy:

• “It’s okay not to know.”

Dr. Javan Childs, Sr. serves as Assistant Superintendent of Human Resources in Fresno Unified School District. Over his 14-year career, he has held roles from teacher to principal, athletic director to coach. A published scholar, Dr. Childs has written on educational leadership, including a program evaluation of MCEL and a featured article in ASCD on mentoring Black male leaders.

About Dr. Courtney Curtis 

Dr. Courtney Curtis is the principal of Hoover High School in Fresno, CA, with over 20 years of experience spanning classroom teaching, coaching, and district leadership. Passionate about equity and student success, he’s active in organizations like MCEL and AAPU and is currently pursuing USC’s Urban Superintendents Program. Guided by the values of love and excellence, Dr. Curtis is committed to creating transformative educational environments.

About Eugene “Gene” Renoir

Gene Reinor is the principal of Fort Miller Middle School in Fresno Unified and has been an educator for 15 years. With a background in teaching and leadership development, Gene has supported new administrators, facilitated equity initiatives, and contributed to Fresno Unified’s Equity-Centered Principal Pipeline. He’s passionate about building inclusive school cultures that empower both staff and students.

About the Podcast

Next Man Up amplifies the voices and experiences of men of color in educational leadership. Hosted by Kareem Thomas, the podcast explores the triumphs, challenges, and pivotal moments that shape leaders breaking barriers and driving systemic change in education. Through candid conversations and expert insights, Next Man Up inspires listeners to embrace their unique power, build community, and foster mentorship. Whether you’re a current leader, aspiring changemaker, or ally, this podcast will empower you to step up and make an impact. The next man up could be you!

Learn More

To learn more about the Next Man Up podcast or to be a guest, visit mcelleaders.org/podcast or follow us on social media at @mcelleaders.