Divergent States
Divergent States
Podcast Description
The Divergent States Podcast, hosted by "3L1T3"—founder of the Psychonaut subreddit with nearly 500k members—and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran passionate about psychedelics for therapeutic healing, explores the intersection of psychedelics, science, spirituality, and culture. Featuring guests like Hamilton Morris, Dr. Rick Strassman, and Dr. Rick Doblin, we blend cutting-edge research with personal stories to showcase how psychedelics transform mental health, creativity, and culture. Join us as we navigate the frontier of consciousness.
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Content Themes
The podcast focuses on psychedelics, mental health, spirituality, and cultural implications, with episodes detailing topics such as the therapeutic use of MDMA for veterans, the legacy of the Shulgin family, and the evolution of the r/Psychonaut subreddit. Specific focus areas include community support, harm reduction in psychedelic use, and the intersection of science and spirituality in therapeutic contexts.
Divergent States cuts through psychedelic hype with grounded, curious conversations about what these substances actually do.
Hosted by 3L1T3, founder of r/Psychonaut, the world’s largest psychedelic harm-reduction community, and co-hosted by Bryan, a USMC veteran and advocate for psychedelic healing, the show brings together lived experience, science, and culture without losing its sense of humor.
This isn’t a spiritual podcast.
This isn’t a marketing platform.
No mysticism. No sales pitch. Just real conversations, harm reduction, and honest questions.
We explore how psychedelics shape mental health, creativity, and society, from underground use and peer-support communities to clinical trials, therapy rooms, and shifting public attitudes. Some episodes get serious. Some get weird. All of them are grounded in respect for the people actually taking these substances and living with the outcomes.
Guests include Rick Doblin, Reggie Watts, Leonard Pickard, Anne Wagner, Hamilton Morris, and Rick Strassman.
Divergent States is built on the same principles that made r/Psychonaut work at scale: curiosity without gullibility, openness without losing your footing, and safety without killing the joy.
If you’re looking for guru worship, this isn’t your show.
If you’re looking for thoughtful, funny, and grounded conversations about psychedelics and the lives they touch, welcome to Divergent States.
New episodes every two weeks.
Former NFL player and College Football Hall of Famer Robert Gallery joins Divergent States for one of the most raw conversations we’ve had on the show.
After retiring from professional football, Robert began experiencing intense rage episodes, suicidal thoughts, emotional instability, brain fog, and severe PTSD-like symptoms linked to repeated head trauma and brain injury from years in the NFL.
What followed wasn’t a clean or simple recovery story.
We talk about identity loss after professional sports, invisible brain injuries, emotional dysregulation, alcoholism, suicide ideation, veterans and athletes sharing similar trauma patterns, and why psychedelic-assisted therapy — particularly Ibogaine and 5-MeO-DMT — became a turning point in his life.
This episode isn’t really about “getting high.” It’s about what happens when the system fails, your brain changes, and you’re left trying to figure out who you are afterward.
We also discuss:
- The psychological cost of repeated head trauma
- Rage responses and emotional volatility
- PTSD similarities between veterans and athletes
- The dangers of untreated brain injury
- Why Robert nearly gave up hope
- Ibogaine therapy and psychedelic-assisted recovery
- Integration, routine, meditation, and rebuilding identity
- Athletes For Care and helping other athletes find treatment
Patreon members get access to the extended Integration Session, where we discuss the risks of Ibogaine, safety concerns, treatment settings, and broader conversations around psychedelic therapy and harm reduction.
If the public episode is the trip, the Patreon edition is the integration.
Music is by [Drip] – Mr. Postman
Chapters:
00:00 Intro – When Brain Injury Changes Who You Are
01:05 Why Football Trauma Is More Than Physical
03:41 Robert Gallery Joins the Show
04:05 Life After Football & Losing Identity
05:43 Rage, Anxiety & Early Warning Signs
07:51 Realizing Something Was Seriously Wrong
09:25 Athletes, Veterans & PTSD Parallels
10:57 Repetitive Head Trauma & The Cost of Football
12:10 The Brain Scan That Changed Everything
13:43 Suicide Ideation, Shame & Hopelessness
15:12 Suffering in Silence
16:22 Asking for Help
17:07 Why Vulnerability Saved His Life
18:15 Discovering Ibogaine Through Veterans
18:50 What Rage Actually Felt Like
21:12 Was It Really Him—or Brain Injury?
22:45 Trying Conventional Treatments First
25:12 Running Out of Options
25:39 Finding Hope in Ibogaine
28:07 The Decision to Go to Mexico
30:21 The Ibogaine Experience
33:39 5-MeO-DMT & ”Turning the Lights Back On”
35:54 Coming Home Changed
38:01 Why Healing Isn't One and Done
39:28 Returning for a Second Treatment
41:23 Growth vs Survival
42:50 Building a New Life Through Routine
43:57 Athletes For Care
46:23 Public Episode Outro
48:28 Integration Session Intro
48:42 Misdiagnosis, Trauma & Identity
50:05 Anger, Trauma & Nearly Losing Control
50:40 Neuroplasticity & Recovery
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