Zipless

Zipless
Podcast Description
A (sometimes spicy) podcast for romance lovers and listeners.
Women have been reading and writing about romance for centuries. But what was once considered a scandalous and secretive pastime, the romance novel has now burst proudly onto the open market.
In fact, romance novels account for nearly a quarter of all adult print fiction sold in the United States.
And with more and more women listening to romance books, it also matters how these books sound.
Hosted by Allie Martina, a professional romance novel narrator, Zipless explores how the language of romance is shaped by writers and narrators, and asks what is it about forbidden love, age gaps, love triangles, friends to lovers, and steamy sex scenes that women find so timelessly appealing. Do romance novels offer windows into the lives women want, or mirror the lives they already have? Can narration, depth of a male voice, or cadence in artistic performance affect a romantic scene? When it comes to the language of love, can the romance novel finally take words long considered shameful and flip them into words of empowerment?
In interviews with bestselling romance authors including Evie Dunmore, Sara Cate, Sierra Simone, Stephanie Archer, Xio Axelrod, and more, Zipless explores how romance novels change and reflect women’s lives on and off the page.
And in one-of-a-kind cameos appearances, professional actor and romance novel narrator Gideon Frost joins Allie in exploring how performance, delivery, and the language of romance can impact the hearts and minds of an audience.
For more information about the show, guests, and forums to share your thoughts, go to ziplesspodcast.com
Zipless is produced by Allie Martina and Jill Ruby.
Listener discretion advised.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
Zipless delves into themes such as the empowerment of women's voices in romance writing, the psychology behind forbidden love and various romantic tropes like age gaps and love triangles. Episodes highlight topics like historical shifts in the portrayal of women in romance through interviews with bestselling authors, such as Sierra Simone discussing breaking taboos, and Evie Dunmore reflecting on the language of love in historical romance.

A (sometimes spicy) podcast for romance lovers and listeners.
Women have been reading and writing about romance for centuries. But what was once considered a scandalous and secretive pastime, the romance novel has now burst proudly onto the open market.
In fact, romance novels account for nearly a quarter of all adult print fiction sold in the United States.
And with more and more women listening to romance books, it also matters how these books sound.
Hosted by Allie Martina, a professional romance novel narrator, Zipless explores how the language of romance is shaped by writers and narrators, and asks what is it about forbidden love, age gaps, love triangles, friends to lovers, and steamy sex scenes that women find so timelessly appealing. Do romance novels offer windows into the lives women want, or mirror the lives they already have? Can narration, depth of a male voice, or cadence in artistic performance affect a romantic scene? When it comes to the language of love, can the romance novel finally take words long considered shameful and flip them into words of empowerment?
In interviews with bestselling romance authors including Evie Dunmore, Sara Cate, Sierra Simone, Stephanie Archer, Xio Axelrod, and more, Zipless explores how romance novels change and reflect women’s lives on and off the page.
And in one-of-a-kind cameos appearances, professional actor and romance novel narrator Gideon Frost joins Allie in exploring how performance, delivery, and the language of romance can impact the hearts and minds of an audience.
For more information about the show, guests, and forums to share your thoughts, go to ziplesspodcast.com
Zipless is produced by Allie Martina and Jill Ruby.
Listener discretion advised.
Netflix’s summer blockbuster series The Hunting Wives has captivated audiences on screen but its roots are on the page. May Cobb, bestselling author of sultry suspense novels including The Hunting Wives, A Likeable Woman and The Hollywood Assistant, joins us to talk about writing sexy, complicated, and morally questionable women – whether we like them, or not.
Description highlights:
- The Netflix adaptation of The Hunting Wives and what it’s like to see her book come to life on screen.
- Voyeurism, blurred friendships, and bicuriosity as recurring themes in Cobb’s work.
- The controversy around “unlikeable women” in fiction and why Cobb insists on writing flawed, messy heroines.
- Why infidelity remains one of romance’s biggest taboos—and how Cobb resisted editorial pressure to “justify” her characters’ choices.
- Reflections on East Texas, obsession, and the intoxicating danger of “bad for you” relationships.
- Alongside the interview, listeners hear a dramatic reading from The Hunting Wives, a playful performance experiment with narrator Gideon Frost, and a poignant Dear Allie listener letter about reckless love and lasting devotion.
Notable Quotes
- “I will die on the hill of defending my unlikeable female characters and their messy decisions—because we’re all messy.” — May Cobb
- “Sometimes the relationships that light you on fire, even if they burn, are the ones that help you know yourself better.” — Allie Martina
- “We all understand that magnetic draw—that chemistry you can’t explain.” — Allie Martina
Books & Links Mentioned
📚 By May Cobb
- The Hunting Wives Kindle | Audiobook | Print
- A Likeable Woman Kindle | Audiobook | Print
- My Summer Darlings Kindle | Audiobook | Print
- Big Woods Audiobook
🔖 Recommended by May
Time-Coded Themes
- 00:00 – Opening Quote: Erica Jong on feminism, desire, and “bad women.”
- 01:00 – Reading from The Hunting Wives: A charged scene of temptation, infidelity, and longing.
- 05:00 – Allie’s Reflection: Why infidelity is nearly forbidden in romance novels, yet resonates in Cobb’s fiction.
- 06:30 – Interview Begins: Allie and May reminisce about 20+ years of friendship and celebrate the Netflix adaptation.
- 09:00 – Voyeurism as Theme: From Hitchcock to East Texas backyards.
- 11:00 – Friendships, intimacy, and bicuriosity: How blurred boundaries fuel Cobb’s stories.
- 15:00 – Lust vs. Motivation: Why women characters shouldn’t need an “excuse” to desire.
- 17:00 – The “Unlikeable Woman” Debate: Cobb defends her messy female characters.
- 23:00 – Infidelity in Fiction: Publishing pushback and Cobb’s resistance to sanitizing her characters.
- 27:00 – Genre & Marketing: Why Cobb’s “sultry suspense” straddles thriller and romance categories.
- 29:00 – From Victorian literature to now: How repression, erotic tension, and female sexuality evolved on the page.
- 31:00 – Romance stigma fading: Why genre barriers are breaking down.
- 33:00 – Book Recs: Till Death Do Us Part by Laurie Elizabeth Flynn.
- 35:00 – Gideon Frost Performance: Playful riff on “irresistible but toxic” relationships.
- 38:00 – Dear Allie Letter: Reckless love that turned into 20 years of partnership.
- 40:00 – Closing & Credits.
Guest Bio: May Cobb
May Cobb is the award-winning author of sultry suspense thrillers set against the backdrop of East Texas. Her novels, including The Hunting Wives and A Likeable Woman, explore obsession, power dynamics, and the lives of unapologetically flawed women. Cobb’s work has been praised for its page-turning suspense, messy characters, and fearless explorations of female desire. She lives in Austin, Texas, with her family and is a frequent contributor to literary discussions about thrillers, women in fiction, and the blurred lines between morality and lust.
Follow May Cobb:
- Website: maycobb.com
- Instagram: @may_cobb
Production Credits
- Host & Producer: Allie Martina
- Series Producer: Jill Ruby
- Special Contributor: Gideon Frost
- Creative Design: Dana Christopherson
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