In Episode 2 of Season 2, Scott Engmann welcomes John Ligtenberg, Executive Director of Love INC of the Black Hills, for a thoughtful conversation about compassion, collaboration, and the power of relationships to transform lives. For more than 25 years, Ligtenberg has helped mobilize churches across the Black Hills to meet practical needs while addressing something even deeper: the broken relationships that often lie at the heart of poverty. Together, Scott and John explore why lasting change isn’t created through handouts alone, but through dignity, personal responsibility, authentic community, and hope. The conversation dives into nonprofit collaboration, leadership, faith, healthy conflict, volunteerism, and what it means to love your neighbor in an increasingly divided world. Along the way, Ligtenberg shares lessons learned from decades of servant leadership, why mission always outweighs efficiency, and how churches can work together to strengthen communities without losing sight of their purpose. If Season 2 is about abundance, this episode reminds us that some of life’s greatest riches are found in relationships built on trust, compassion, and service.

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