The Panel

The Panel
Podcast Description
When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson and Brian Casel bring together a panel of sharp minds from the indie tech world to tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we'd normally have behind closed doors.
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The show dives into a variety of topics including SaaS marketing, the influence of AI on product development, and open source business models, with episodes like 'Is web development still a good career choice in 2025?' and 'SaaS predictions for 2025' exploring critical trends and challenges faced by tech entrepreneurs and developers.

When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there’s rarely one right answer. We want to dive into the nuance. In every episode, veteran founders Justin Jackson and Brian Casel bring together a panel of sharp minds from the indie tech world to tackle thorny topics – from pricing and product strategy to work-life balance. No gurus, no easy answers – just real conversations we’d normally have behind closed doors.
Big episode! Brian shares the results of his launch of Instrumental Components (sales numbers, and how he’s feeling). He also talks about his next project: helping devs and teams navigate how to use AI in software development and design. This episode was recorded live, with tons of folks joining us in the “panel” chat. Adam Wathan ended up joining us last-minute to talk about how he’s changed is mind on AI and coding, and how AI is affecting Tailwind’s business.
Timestamps:
- (02:50) – What is Instrumental Components and how has the launch been?
- (11:06) – Why not go for something big?
- (24:26) – What you hear online vs the reality of what’s going on
- (29:24) – Pricing change for Instrumental Components
- (34:04) – Where Brian’s going next
- (51:42) – Adam Wathan on how they’re using AI
- (01:06:14) – Writing PRD for AI instead of prompt writing
- (01:09:39) – How is AI going to affect Adam’s business?
- (01:24:03) – Vibe coding personal projects
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Links mentioned in this episode
- Instrumental Components – Brian’s new product
- Clarity Flow – Brian’s SaaS product
- Transistor.fm – Justin’s company
- Integrate Open AI and Anthropic APIs into your Rails applications (video)
- Rob Walling’s Stair Step approach
- Vercel’s new V0 AI tool
- Thorsten Ball’s article: How to build an agent
- Mostly Technical | 85: Screencasting.com Launch Failure
- The Steve Ballmer Interview: The Complete History and Strategy
- TaskMaster AI Solutions
- Claude Code Overview
- AI Video Editor
- Figma AI Creativity
- Rand Fishkin on Marketing

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