Proc-N-Roll : Your guide to practical procurement!
Proc-N-Roll : Your guide to practical procurement!
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Welcome to Proc n Roll, where nearly 70 years of combined procurement expertise come together. Join Natasha, the PRO CPO with experience at IBM, McKesson, Salesforce, and Nike; Zach, the procurement guru from London; and Conrad, the visionary innovator behind transformational procurement at Intel and Adobe. We dive into the latest trends shaping the procurement landscape while breaking down the essential building blocks for success. Whether you’re new to procurement or a seasoned expert, our discussions will inspire you and keep you grounded in real-world value.
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The show covers a variety of procurement-focused topics including feedback mechanisms, essential skills for procurement professionals, risk management strategies, and the evolution of procurement practices. Specific episode examples include discussions on 'Feedback That Doesn't Suck,' which highlights practical feedback techniques, and 'Curiosity, EQ, and Problem-Solving,' exploring critical skills for future procurement leaders.

Welcome to Proc n Roll, where nearly 70 years of combined procurement expertise come together. Join Natasha, the PRO CPO with experience at IBM, McKesson, Salesforce, and Nike; Zach, the procurement guru from London; and Conrad, the visionary innovator behind transformational procurement at Intel and Adobe. We dive into the latest trends shaping the procurement landscape while breaking down the essential building blocks for success. Whether you’re new to procurement or a seasoned expert, our discussions will inspire you and keep you grounded in real-world value.
In this episode of Proc and Roll, Conrad, Natasha, and Zach tackle one of the most critical questions facing leaders today: how should we use Artificial Intelligence in our decision-making process?
The team debates the risks of ”automation bias” and whether relying on AI is causing intellectual laziness in the workforce. Natasha argues that humans must always remain the ”master” and AI the ”servant,” warning that outsourcing decisions strips us of our critical thinking, intuition, and free will. On the other side, Zach shares his optimistic vision for autonomous AI agents capable of running complex procurement workflows, arguing that human roles will naturally evolve to manage and architect these technologies. Conrad cautions against ”autopilot” leadership, reminding us that no matter how smart the machine gets, the leader is ultimately the one held accountable. Timestamps:
(01:11) – Intro & Leadership Recap: Reviewing extreme ownership, Jeff Bezos's one-way doors, and Ray Dalio's believability metrics.
(03:23) – Automation Bias: Is AI manipulating your thinking? Conrad shares the danger of the ”autopilot” trap.
(05:22) – Master vs. Servant: Natasha's philosophy on why AI tools can never replace human judgment and scrutiny.
(09:32) – Autonomous Agents: Zach’s vision for trusting AI to run end-to-end enterprise procurement processes.
(19:09) – The ChatGPT Proposal: Why relying on 30-second AI outputs can destroy trust and value in business relationships.
(21:31) – AI vs. Human Judges: The fascinating debate on whether AI can make fairer, less biased decisions than a hungry human.
(26:25) – The Gut vs. The Machine: Comparing human intuition and emotional memories to AI pattern recognition.
(37:11) – The Future of Free Will: What happens to humanity and our sense of purpose if AI makes all of our decisions?
(50:01) – The Intellectual Laziness Trap: Natasha's warning about the next generation losing their ability to be independent thinkers.
(51:57) – Outro & What's Next: Teasing the upcoming episode where the hosts will build a definitive blueprint for executive decision-making. About Proc n Roll:
Proc n Roll is your ultimate guide to practical procurement. Hosted by industry veterans, we navigate the complex intersections of procurement, supply chain, digital transformation, and the cutting-edge technology redefining the enterprise landscape. Join us as we interview top leaders, unpack hard-learned lessons, and explore how to build resilient, forward-thinking organizations.

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