Sat down with Mustafa Suleyman, CEO of Microsoft AI, to discuss all things artificial intelligence. Few have been as embedded in AI’s modern era, as he co-founded both DeepMind in 2010 (acquired by Google in 2014) and Inflection AI in 2022. So, down the rabbit hole we go.

Chapters

0:00 – If an AI-focused career path was clear to him

2:11 – The relationship between Microsoft and OpenAI

4:51 – AI research labs vs AI companies

7:16 – Elaborating on response to protestors

9:22 – AI’s use in the government 

15:24 – The relationship between tech and government leaders

17:25 – The pros and cons of open-source models

22:48 – Will AI be “winner takes all”

26:08 – Gatekeeping

27:28 – Optimism and pessimism as limiting biases 

30:31 – How our time online may change

33:29 – Are AI companions helping or hurting current human voids

38:21 – Advising young people’s emotional relationship with AI

41:56 – How human-to-human interaction may change

46:16 – How the average person can use the “Think deeper” feature

48:05 – What you shouldn’t tell your AI

49:32 – AI’s social intelligence

50:52 – The future of opting in and out of your relationship with AI

54:43 – The potential of humans not needing to “work”

59:23 – Future income, incentives, and payment structures

1:03:22 – What you should know about containment

1:06:14 – Outro

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Key terms from “The Coming Wave”

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The 10 steps toward containment 

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