What Rough Beast
What Rough Beast
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What Rough Beast, hosted by Virginia Heffernan (Wired, Trumpcast) and Stephen Metcalf (Slate, Culture Gabfest) is a podcast where we bear witness to America’s demise, and ask what might be built from the rubble. The sludge. The sparkly phosphorescent faerie dust of recombinant DNA.
It is a spiritual successor to Trumpcast, but with a radical reimagining. Instead of focusing on opposing Trump or trusting institutions, this podcast explores imaginative, unexpected responses to our current political moment. The show takes inspiration from the '68ers' motto "all power to the imagination" and seeks unconventional solutions beyond traditional political frameworks. virginiaheffernan.substack.com
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The podcast explores themes around political imagination, social change, and unconventional solutions. Key topics include the transformation of the Supreme Court, internal exile as a response to political despair, and the role of climate activism in democracy. Recent episodes have covered specific examples like the impact of the Federalist Society on legal rulings and discussions about radical approaches to activism.

What Rough Beast, hosted by Virginia Heffernan (Wired, Trumpcast) and Cy Canterel (Abstract Machines) is a podcast where we bear witness to America’s demise, and ask what might be built from the rubble. The sludge. The sparkly phosphorescent faerie dust of recombinant DNA.
It is a spiritual successor to Trumpcast, but with a radical reimagining. Instead of focusing on opposing Trump or trusting institutions, this podcast explores imaginative, unexpected responses to our current political moment. The show takes inspiration from the ’68ers’ motto “all power to the imagination” and seeks unconventional solutions beyond traditional political frameworks.
Federal prosecutors alleged internally that the state attorney’s office colluded with Epstein’s defense team to engineer the 2007–08 plea deal — and we have the emails. When Congressman Thomas Massie stood on the floor of Congress and said the documents around that plea were missing from the DOJ’s recent file drop, he wasn’t wrong that they were hard to find. But Cy Canterel found them. And what’s in them is worse than we knew.
In this episode, Cy walks Virginia through an extraordinary deep dive into newly released internal communications between federal prosecutors, the state attorney’s office, and Epstein’s own legal team, revealing not just how the infamous 2007–2008 “sweetheart deal” was constructed, but how it was systematically manipulated at every level after it was signed.
They cover:
* How Palm Beach police went directly to the FBI after state attorney Barry Krischer slow-walked the case — and why that’s nearly unheard of
* The “armada” of defense attorneys Epstein assembled before he was ever charged, including Alan Dershowitz, Kenneth Starr, Jay Lefkowitz (Kirkland & Ellis), and local attorney Jay Goldberger
* How Epstein ghost-wrote his own legal defense — literally drafting language that ended up word-for-word in his attorneys’ memos
* The deliberate strategic recusal of prosecutor Lana Belalovic (who was married to Goldberger’s law partner)
* The non-prosecution agreement that shielded Epstein’s entire network — and how victims were kept in the dark by exploiting a loophole in the Crime Victims Rights Act
* The chain of judicial sleight-of-hand that moved Epstein from county jail to a minimum-security stockade — and into 12 hours of daily unsupervised “work release”
* The email in which a defense attorney memorialized a quote from Krischer on the day the plea was signed — specifically for “future pardon ammunition”
* The FBI financial records showing Epstein paid Dershowitz $2.5 million
* Carl Schmitt’s “zone of exception” as a framework for understanding how oligarchic power bends legal systems to its will
* The Bannon interview — and what Epstein’s blank affect reveals about the psychology of sovereign impunity
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