The Hanley Effect
The Hanley Effect
Podcast Description
Welcome to the Hanley Effect, a podcast by Hanley Foundation designed to educate, change minds, and save lives. Our goal is to inspire you, showcase our innovations, and change the conversation about addiction and mental health. Join us as we unravel stories of resilience, recovery, and hope.
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Content Themes
This podcast focuses on themes of addiction recovery, mental health, and trauma-informed care. Episodes explore topics such as the complexities of treating older adults, the intersection of spirituality and recovery, and innovative programs like Casa Flores, which supports mothers in recovery. Specific episodes highlight personal recovery journeys, community support mechanisms, and the critical role of family involvement in healing.
The Hanley Effect is a weekly addiction recovery and mental health podcast hosted by Dr. John Dyben, Chief Clinical Officer at Hanley Center, and Dr. Rachel Docekal, CEO of the Hanley Foundation.
This trauma-informed podcast explores substance use disorder (SUD), addiction treatment, neuroscience, co-occurring mental health disorders, overdose prevention, adolescent mental health, and long-term recovery through evidence-based conversations with leading experts, clinicians, policymakers, and individuals with lived experience.
Featured guests include leading neuroscientists, healthcare executives, policymakers, law enforcement leaders, and nationally recognized advocates shaping the future of addiction treatment and prevention.
Produced by the Hanley Foundation, a nonprofit leader in prevention, education, treatment, and advocacy, The Hanley Effect delivers trusted insight, practical tools, and real-world perspectives for behavioral health professionals, educators, first responders, families, and people in recovery.
Grounded in science and compassion, this podcast helps listeners better understand addiction, reduce stigma, and build stronger, healthier communities.
When does helping someone you love cross the line into enabling?
In this episode of The Hanley Effect, Dr. Rachel Docekal and Dr. John Dyben welcome clinical psychologist and author Dr. Sarah Michaud for a candid conversation about codependency, addiction, boundaries, parenting, people-pleasing, and recovery.
Dr. Michaud has worked in the addiction field for more than 30 years and has been sober for more than 40 years. Drawing from both her professional expertise and lived experience, she explains how codependency can cause us to become so focused on another person’s behavior that we lose sight of our own needs, feelings, and well-being.
The conversation explores why loving someone doesn’t mean protecting them from every consequence, how enabling can unintentionally interfere with personal responsibility, and why healthy boundaries aren’t about controlling what someone else does—they’re about deciding what we will and will not accept.
Dr. Michaud also discusses how codependent patterns can appear in parenting, marriage, addiction and long-term recovery. Even after years of sobriety, people may continue struggling with people-pleasing, speaking up for themselves, guilt, and unhealthy relationship patterns.
About Dr. Sarah Michaud
Dr. Sarah Michaud is a clinical psychologist in central Massachusetts who has worked in the addiction field for more than 30 years and has been sober for more than 40 years. She is the author of Cocrazy: One Psychologist’s Recovery from Codependency and Addiction and co-host of the Leaving Crazytown podcast.
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