Brilliant Commerce

Brilliant Commerce
Podcast Description
Unfiltered conversations with operators behind iconic commerce brands, hosted by Chord Commerce CEO Bryan Mahoney, about what actually makes their tech, teams, and customer relationships work.
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Content Themes
The podcast explores various themes around direct-to-consumer marketing, brand building, and technology integration, with episode examples like the evolution of D2C marketing discussed with former Glossier CMO Ali Weiss and the tech stack enhancements at brands like Sonos and Ruggable. Specific focus areas include balancing performance marketing with brand vision, the role of data in marketing, and the importance of customer experience measurement.

Unfiltered conversations with operators behind iconic commerce brands, hosted by Chord Commerce CEO Bryan Mahoney, about what actually makes their tech, teams, and customer relationships work.
Ben Grynol, Head of Growth at Levels, offers a counterintuitive approach to commerce: building an entire health category through education rather than conversion-focused marketing. In this episode of Brilliant Commerce, Ben walks Bryan through how Levels achieved remarkably low customer acquisition costs ($50-80) for a high-consideration, $400 health device by rejecting traditional performance marketing in favor of deeply researched content. The strategy has produced extraordinary results: a 5:1 LTV:CAC ratio despite 60% of conversions happening after a full year of consideration.
Topics Discussed:
- How Levels built the “metabolic health” category from scratch by becoming the authoritative information source first, creating hundreds of deeply researched articles without immediate conversion pressure.
- Why Levels embraces a 12+ month nurturing process for their high-consideration product, focusing on building trust through value-first content rather than optimizing for quick conversion.
- Levels’ approach to evaluating marketing partners beyond last-click attribution, using metrics like website traffic spikes, email capture rates, and conversion patterns to assess true partner value.
- Why Levels deliberately limits Meta ad spend, focusing only on retargeting specific partner traffic with email capture goals rather than bottom-funnel conversion.
- How creating highly specific health content ensures visibility even as search behavior shifts from Google to AI agents by focusing on topics too niche for general summaries.
- Leveraging lab results and health markers to create hyper-relevant lifecycle communications that drive approximately 30% of conversions through content that delivers genuine value.
- Recognizing that their primary customer base (women 45-65+) may interact differently with technology, informing both content approach and platform strategy.
- Ben’s prediction that consumers increasingly value high-touch, expert-guided experiences where they pay for clear direction, creating new opportunities for brands to add value beyond products.
- The unique challenges of marketing a product that goes under the skin, requires a prescription, and costs $400, requiring fundamentally different approaches than traditional consumer goods.
- How Levels navigates health and wellness marketing without making medical claims, focusing on user experiences rather than promising specific outcomes.

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