The VBAC Facts® Podcast

The VBAC Facts® Podcast
Podcast Description
Join VBAC Facts® Founder and CEO Jen Kamel as she shares everything vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC) including the shocking medical evidence, breathtaking birth stories, inspiring advocacy victories, and sobering legal cases.
Jen and her guests will both celebrate the triumphs as well as highlight the many opportunities for improvement in our health care system. Come learn what is possible so we can work together to create a world where everyone has access to respectful, evidence based health care.
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Since 2007, the focus of VBAC Facts® has been to provide objective, accurate information about VBAC and repeat cesarean to parents, professionals, policymakers, and the court so decisions can be informed, ethical, and just.
VBAC Facts® does not provide any medical advice and the information provided should not be so construed or used. Nothing provided by VBAC Facts® is intended to replace the services of a physician or midwife or to be a substitute for medical advice of a physician or midwife.
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The podcast covers a myriad of topics related to VBAC, particularly informed decision-making, patient autonomy, and ethical considerations in childbirth. Episodes dive into specific issues like VBA2C feasibility, dispelling VBAC myths, medical coercion experiences, and critical analysis of healthcare guidelines, providing listeners with research-backed evidence and personal narratives.

Join VBAC Facts® Founder and CEO Jen Kamel as she brings you evidence-based discussions about vaginal birth after cesarean (VBAC) including the shocking medical evidence, breathtaking birth stories, inspiring advocacy victories, and sobering legal cases.
Jen and her guests will both celebrate the triumphs as well as highlight the many opportunities for improvement in our health care system. Come learn what is possible so we can work together to create a world where everyone has access to respectful, evidence based health care.
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Since 2007, the focus of VBAC Facts® has been to provide objective, accurate information about VBAC and repeat cesarean to parents, professionals, policymakers, and the court so decisions can be informed, ethical, and just.
VBAC Facts® does not provide any medical advice and the information provided should not be so construed or used. Nothing provided by VBAC Facts® is intended to replace the services of a physician or midwife or to be a substitute for medical advice of a physician or midwife.
Licia Popernack was told that she had a curved tailbone and would never give birth vaginally.
And after two cesareans, both after reaching 10 centimeters and pushing for hours, could that be true? Plus, she was only five feet and one inch tall…
Licia shares with us the challenges she faced on her journey to a victorious hospital VBA2C from friends and family who wondered why this was so important to her to skepticism from healthcare providers and her own fears.
She reflects upon her choices during her first and second pregnancies and labors, including why she didn’t, and then did, get an epidural as well as reveals how she processed her cesareans.
She recounts how her third labor was different than her first two – including her nurse who helped her into various positions that facilitated her VBA2C – showing that if you just change one thing, you can have a totally different outcome.
With her two prior FTP cesareans, the VBAC calculator would have predicted very low odds, but Licia pursued her dream of a vaginal birth proving that it is possible!
00:00 Meet Licia Popernack!
03:44 Why She Wanted to Share Her Story
08:02 What Her Doctor Said About Her VBAC Odds
08:52 Her First Pregnancy
10:53 Biggest Regret: “But That Locked Her In…”
12:01 Pushed For Four Hours, Then Cesarean
14:32 Her Doctor Had An Early Flight
15:24 Postpartum: “I Felt Really Isolated”
18:05 What Would Have Felt Supportive and Validating to Her
20:49 Download Our Free Resources
21:43 What Was She Told About VBAC?
23:00 Her Second Pregnancy
24:43 Changed Providers at 34 Weeks!
27:54 “Why Don’t You Just Schedule Another Cesarean?”
31:07 Her Second Labor: “She Said I Could Never Have a Vaginal Birth”
32:25 Her Decision To Get An Epidural
34:12 Vacuum, FTP, Second Cesarean, and NICU
35:58 Processing Her Planned VBAC and Second Cesarean
39:08 Pregnant After Two Cesareans, Now What?
42:21 How Her Third Labor Was Different Than The First Two
48:23 “ Made Me Get Into Positions That Weren’t Comfortable For Me”
51:30 Did Anyone Mention Placenta Accreta?
52:39 Her VBA1C and VBA2C Advice
55:41 What She Would Have Done Differently
58:54 “Changed Me To Be More Accepting Of Things”
59:54 Advice: “But My Doctor Won’t Let Me Plan a VBAC”
01:00:55 “There’s Not One Thing That’s Right For Everyone”
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- Professional Speaking & Continuing Education Training – VBAC Facts®
- The Truth About VBAC™ for Families | VBAC Facts® Course for Parents
- E7 40+ VBAC Myths Busted! Plus Hospital VBA2C After Uterine Defect – The VBAC Facts® Podcast – Apple Podcasts
- Sign up for your copy of the VBAC Planning Checklist! | VBAC Facts®
- Consulting for Parents, Professionals, Legal & Policy Teams │ VBAC Facts®
- Sign up for your copy of the Top Three VBAC Myths! | VBAC Facts®
- Sign up for your copy of the Uterine Rupture Report! | VBAC Facts®
- Vaginal birth after two cesareans (VBA2C): An overview of the evidence – VBAC Facts® Article
- The Truth About VBA2C: Risk, Rates, & Outcomes – VBAC Facts® Continuing Education Training
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