Never the Same
Never the Same
Podcast Description
"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
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The podcast focuses on themes such as suicide prevention, career development, and the intersection of various work streams with personal lessons. Episodes cover a range of topics including the application of AI in research, supporting loved ones with substance use issues, and innovative approaches in mental health care, exemplified by discussions around the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality framework by Dr. David Jobes.

“Never the Same” is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus’ quote, “No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man,” reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
In this episode of Never the Same, Dr. Tony Pisani sits down with Daniel Murrie, a professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia and director of the Institute for Law, Psychiatry and Public Policy.
Daniel is one of the most cited researchers in forensic psychology, best known for a landmark study that challenged a foundational assumption in his field: that experts retained by opposing legal sides can remain objective. However, the answer is more complicated.
They explore what forensic psychology actually is, what it’s like to sit across from someone facing the death penalty, why the US is in the middle of a “competency crisis,” and how a field changes its mind.
Guest Bio:
Daniel Murrie is a professor of Psychiatry and Neurobehavioral Sciences at the University of Virginia, where he directs the Institute for Law, Psychiatry and Public Policy. He is a leading researcher in forensic psychology, with extensive work on evaluator bias, competency assessment, capital cases, and the intersection of mental illness and the justice system. He has served as a court-appointed special master in Colorado, helping the state address its competency crisis.
Referenced Resources:
- Competency to stand trial — the 1960 Supreme Court case Dusky v. United States
- Competency to stand trial evaluations: A state-wide review of court-ordered reports
- Not guilty by reason of insanity
- Are forensic experts biased by the side that retained them?
- Evaluations of competence to stand trial are evolving amid a national “competency crisis.”
- Bird by Bird by Anne Lamont

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