Never the Same
Never the Same
Podcast Description
"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast focuses on themes such as suicide prevention, career development, and the intersection of various work streams with personal lessons. Episodes cover a range of topics including the application of AI in research, supporting loved ones with substance use issues, and innovative approaches in mental health care, exemplified by discussions around the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality framework by Dr. David Jobes.

“Never the Same” is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus’ quote, “No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man,” reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
In this episode of Never the Same, Dr. Tony Pisani sits down with Jonathan Singer, a social work professor at Loyola University, co-author of Suicide in Schools, and past president of the American Association of Suicidology.
Jonathan is also the creator of The Social Work Podcast, which he started in 2007 while teaching as a doctoral student. He thought “25 people would listen,” but by the end of the semester, there had been over 3000 downloads, from 80 countries.
They explore how jazz improvisation shaped Jonathan’s approach to therapy and collaboration, why schools with fewer suicides pay attention to “weak signals,” and what postvention can look like after a student suicide death.
Guest Bio
Jonathan Singer is a social work professor at Loyola University and the co-author of Suicide in Schools. He is the past president of the American Association of Suicidology. Jonathan is also the host and creator of the Social Work Podcast.
Referenced Resources
- The Social Work Podcast
- Suicide in Schools: A Practitioner’s Guide to Multi-level Prevention, Assessment, Intervention, and Postvention
- Suicide Contagion Explainer
- Universal Suicide Risk Screening in Schools: Outcomes from 9 Years of Implementation
- Life Under Pressure: The Social Roots of Youth Suicide
- Cook County real-time suicide data dashboard
- Johns Hopkins COVID dashboard

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