Never the Same
Never the Same
Podcast Description
"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast focuses on themes such as suicide prevention, career development, and the intersection of various work streams with personal lessons. Episodes cover a range of topics including the application of AI in research, supporting loved ones with substance use issues, and innovative approaches in mental health care, exemplified by discussions around the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality framework by Dr. David Jobes.

“Never the Same” is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus’ quote, “No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man,” reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
In this moving conversation, Dr Tony Pisani speaks with Steve Wickham, a workplace health and safety professional, chaplain, and writer. Steve shares his remarkable journey from his early days as a tradesman in Western Australia, through personal trials of grief, loss, and recovery, to his current roles supporting first responders and families.
With honesty and warmth, Steve opens up about the people who shaped his path, the importance of kinship and purpose, and the lessons he has learned from decades of walking alongside others in crisis. His reflections highlight the power of presence, humility, and hope in the face of life’s deepest challenges.
Guest Bio:
Steve Wickham is a chaplain, pastor, and writer based in Western Australia. He began his career as a tradesman before moving into health and safety in 1997, working for decades as a safety professional. Today, he serves as a part-time chaplain with the Department of Fire and Emergency Services and Children and Families Pastor at a Baptist church.
Referenced Resources:
- The Entitlement Cure — Dr John Townsend
- Heartfelt (Australia) — photography and support for families experiencing stillbirth and infant loss
- EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitisation and Reprocessing)
- Department of Fire and Emergency Services (WA) — wellness and chaplaincy support
Production credits:
Hannah Corcoran, Producer and Senior Editor https://www.linkedin.com/in/h-corcoran/
Annie Lewis, Content Manager https://www.linkedin.com/in/annie-lewis-304854117/
Luke Pisani, Music https://www.instagram.com/lukepisani_/
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