Never the Same

Never the Same
Podcast Description
"Never the Same" is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus' quote, "No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it's not the same river and he's not the same man," reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast focuses on themes such as suicide prevention, career development, and the intersection of various work streams with personal lessons. Episodes cover a range of topics including the application of AI in research, supporting loved ones with substance use issues, and innovative approaches in mental health care, exemplified by discussions around the Collaborative Assessment and Management of Suicidality framework by Dr. David Jobes.

“Never the Same” is an interview-based podcast exploring how different work streams intersect with suicide prevention, career development, and life lessons. The title draws inspiration from Heraclitus’ quote, “No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man,” reflecting the ever-changing nature of life and personal growth. Each episode features conversations with guests from various fields, highlighting defining moments and shifts in thinking. The podcast aims to uncover new insights for suicide prevention while offering broader perspectives on personal and professional growth.
In this episode, Nieves Murray, CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia, joins Dr. Tony Pisani for an insightful conversation about leadership, equity, and personal transformation. From her early career in engineering to leading national suicide prevention strategy, Nieves brings a rich mix of personal stories, professional insights, and hard-earned wisdom.
Key Themes
- The power of bilingual and bicultural identity
- Leadership lessons from aged care, finance, and suicide prevention
- Changing minds: how experience reshapes perspective
- Balancing data with lived experience in policy work
- Grief, care, and learning from family
Nieves Murray: Nieves Murray is the CEO of Suicide Prevention Australia and has spent over 35 years in leadership roles across aged care, finance, and human services. Recognised as one of Australia’s 100 Most Influential Women, she is a champion of systems thinking, community voice, and inclusive policy.
Dr. Tony Pisani: Dr. Tony Pisani is a professor, clinician, and founder of SafeSide Prevention, leading its mission to build safer, more connected military, health, education, and workplace communities.
Resources and References
- National Policy Platform by Suicide Prevention Australia
- Good to Great: Why Some Companies Make The Leap and Others Don’t by Jim Collins

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