Christal sits down with Chip and Lisa St. Clair, founders of the St. Clair Butterfly Foundation, for a powerful and deeply personal conversation about trauma, resilience, and what it really takes to create lasting change.

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Through Chip’s remarkable survival story and the couple’s shared journey, they explore how childhood trauma shapes behavior, why so many of our systems feel overwhelmed, and what it means to move beyond simply managing behavior to understanding the story underneath it.

Together, they break down the science of dysregulation, the importance of connection before correction, and how small shifts in the way we communicate can transform outcomes for kids, families, educators, and entire communities.

This conversation goes beyond theory. It’s about real tools, real experiences, and a hopeful, practical path forward for anyone who has ever asked: what happened to you, and how do we help?