Rogue L+D Hotshots with Tom Bailey
Rogue L+D Hotshots with Tom Bailey
Podcast Description
A short podcast allowing you to meet some of the brilliant folk driving people performance and development forward.
We do this in an informal and human way.
Our host Tom Bailey, award winning L&D leader and passionate maverick for all things development.
Join us as we ask just ten questions of some of the industries most innovative and interesting people.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
The podcast focuses on various themes such as digital transformation in education, leadership development, design thinking, and brain-friendly learning. Episodes include discussions on breaking traditional L&D practices with real-world examples, such as the BBC's training transformation and the integration of identity and purpose in career success
A short podcast allowing you to meet some of the brilliant folk driving people performance and development forward.
We do this in an informal and human way.
Our host Tom Bailey, award winning L&D leader and passionate maverick for all things development.
Join us as we ask just ten questions of some of the industries most innovative and interesting people.
Leadership isn’t about information—it’s about transformation.
What if leadership programs stopped focusing on “fixing” individuals and started designing for the real system they operate in? This episode unpacks why most L&D initiatives flop, what actually drives behavior change, and how to create a learning culture that sticks. Through vivid stories—from Ericsson’s transformation to Zoom cooking fails turned learning insights—Jennie Brown shares a refreshing take on how to do development that matters.
Jennie Brown, Managing Consultant at LIW, brings her strategic insights and deep experience leading transformative leadership initiatives across global organizations. In this conversation, she breaks down the mindset shift from pushing information to enabling real practice, and how flipping the usual learning sequence (context > team > self) unlocks meaningful performance. Whether you're in HR, L&D, or a leader looking to elevate your team—this episode is your blueprint for smarter, more human development.
Key Takeaways
- Building leadership from system to self makes development meaningful and measurable.
- Real change happens through practice and experimentation—not perfection or theory.
- Strong L&D programs demand line manager involvement and contextual, actionable learning.
Timestamps:
[00:00] Choose what you care about in L&D
[00:51] Jennie introduces herself with personality and purpose
[02:00] Why work experience needs to change—and how leadership shapes it
[03:00] Deep dive into Ericsson’s cultural transformation program
[05:00] Why experimentation beats perfection in leadership
[07:00] The cooking story: what didn’t work, and what that teaches us
[09:00] Proudest moment leading a first-time intern to real impact
[12:00] The worst kind of L&D: overwhelming, unlinked, and manager-less
[16:00] Jennie’s contrarian take: reverse the order of leadership programs
[19:00] Best advice: Practice, curiosity, and intentional care
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