The Third Layer
The Third Layer
Podcast Description
The Third Layer is a podcast crafted for family-owned business owners and leaders who truly understand the intricacies of navigating a business where family and leadership intersect. Hosted by Marshall Lockton, who has lived the family-owned business experience from various leadership viewpoints, guests share what they’ve learned about what makes family business leaders uniquely able to lead with culture. The podcast zeroes in on the greatest leadership lessons about culture learned throughout the career of a seasoned family business leader. We uncover how that one pivotal insight transformed them and influenced everything they do. We go beyond the first layer and ask the leader to help the audience really understand why the lesson was so important to them and how it applies to different facets of their business(es) and life. Through personal stories and expert reflections, listeners gain practical wisdom and inspiration to lead with impact, create cultures that connect stakeholders, navigate challenges unique to family business, and carry forward the legacy of their family business.
Podcast Insights
Content Themes
Key themes of The Third Layer include leadership development, culture building, personal stories, and legacy creation within family businesses. Episodes feature discussions on critical topics such as the transition of leadership in family business after loss, the significance of purpose-driven leadership, and fostering high-performance cultures, exemplified by episodes like 'Building A Legacy: Leadership In Family Business With Tyler Nottberg' and 'The Heart of a Caregiver with Andy Eby'.
The Third Layer is crafted for family-owned business leaders who understand the intricacies of navigating a business where family and leadership intersect. Host, Marshall Lockton zeroes in on the greatest leadership lessons.
Anthony Contrucci, a married-in fifth-generation family member of the Schrage family that built the 130-year-old Centier Bank, details the intentional work required to transition from a single family-owned business to a thriving, multi-generational family enterprise. Serving as a key leader and family historian, Contrucci emphasizes that the true legacy is the culture and the people, not the financial institution itself.
For family business leaders committed to remaining “not for sale,” the episode offers a blueprint for durability: transitioning to a “family enterprise mindset,” building comprehensive governance structures from scratch, and actively nurturing emotional cohesion. Anthony highlights the importance of going “slow to go fast”—demonstrating tenacity to build new structures and policies before they are urgently needed. Finally, by founding 119th Street Capital, the family has created a strategic avenue for diversification, mitigating the cyclical risks of commercial banking while scaling their “servant heart culture” by investing in culturally compatible financial services firms nationwide. This intentional strategy ensures the promise of thriving, not just surviving, 100 years into the future.
Key Themes:
Mindset Shift: From Business to Enterprise
The Durability of Emotional Cohesion
The Power of Story and Servant Leadership
Proactive Governance and Policy-Making
Timestamps:
00:43 – Centier Bank origin story: 130 years, growth to ~$10B assets, fifth-generation ownership
02:08 – People, community, and culture as drivers; early civic leadership in Indiana
04:04 – Banks’ role in supporting towns; segue to family context
04:48 – Family structure, ownership concentration, and family council overview
07:08 – Marriage to Melissa and note on recent health crisis
07:57 – Health scare details: bowel obstruction, surgeries, coma, recovery
10:39 – Perspective shift: being present with family and mindful at home
12:50 – Path into the family enterprise; fears of nepotism; move to Chicago
16:27 – Time in the bank, gradual shift out of operations, current board/committee roles
17:43 – Father-in-law’s leadership: competitive beginnings to scaling people-first culture
22:03 – “Not for sale” promise; turning a goal into strategy and learning journey
25:52 – Building family governance/office; cohesion (emotional/financial); book, museum, documentary
46:09 – Servant-heart culture and inverted org chart; structured community impact
49:28 – 119th Street Capital: diversification thesis, capital planning, culture-first investing
Additional Resources:
Connect with Anthony on LinkedIn
Connect with Marshall on LinkedIn
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Learn more about PeopleForward Network
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